From sentto-44114-3634-963759846-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Sun Jul 16 15:01:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: shoulson-kli@meson.org Received: (qmail 31111 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 15:01:36 -0000 Received: from zash.lupine.org (205.186.156.18) by pi.meson.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 2000 15:01:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14152 invoked by uid 40001); 16 Jul 2000 15:04:09 -0000 Delivered-To: kli-mark@kli.org Received: (qmail 14149 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 15:04:08 -0000 Received: from mq.egroups.com (207.138.41.138) by zash.lupine.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 2000 15:04:08 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-3634-963759846-mark=kli.org@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.38] by mq.egroups.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2000 15:04:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25821 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 15:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jul 2000 15:04:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.233) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jul 2000 15:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 57734 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 2000 15:04:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000716150405.57733.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.152.77 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:04:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.152.77] To: lojban@egroups.com From: "Jorge Llambias" MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@egroups.com; contact lojban-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:04:05 PDT Subject: RE: [lojban] A defense of dead horse beating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit la and cusku di'e >I still don't see how you get from {ko'a poi broda} to {ro broda}. Ok, you're right, they're different. > > >though I'd be happiest if > > >{ko'a poi broda cu brode} simply means {ko'a broda gi'e brode}. > > > > That's {ko'a noi broda}. {poi} is restrictive. > >I'm not sure about {noi} clauses. Their English counterparts >have the characteristic of being outside the scope of the outermost >illocutionary operators, & I don't know whether this is presumed to >apply to noi too. I guess it does, but in this example it makes no difference, right? But {ko'a poi broda cu brode} does not mean {ko'a broda gi'e brode}. The first says that of all the referents of ko'a, those that are broda are also brode, whereas the second says that all of the referents are both broda and brode. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wish you had something rad to add to your email? We do at www.supersig.com. http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/4/_/17627/_/963759846/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com