From pycyn@aol.com Wed Aug 16 08:44:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14457 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2000 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Aug 2000 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r05.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Aug 2000 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.b6.95de70a (9666) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:44:41 EDT Subject: Tools To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 3930 Having mentioned what we (mass sense - somebodies in here) want, I should note what all we have. Logflash It's archaic technologically, but it does work better than any attempted substitute. It runs on DOS and most people can get it to run on emulators of one sort or another. It would be nice to have it more universally available, for antisatyrs and the like. It would also be nice to update it, to cover more effectively rafsi, lujvo, cmavo, and whatever else have you (these latter presumably more about word lists than programming). Parser Again, this works and is the definitive statement of Lojban grammar, at least up to some minorish glitches whose resolutions are still in limbo, but that rarely occur anyhow for now. It also runs regularly on DOS, however several unofficial but pretty reliable versions exist for other systems, the most discussed being jbofi'e (for Linux) from Richard Curnow, rpc@myself.com. It is also a Glosser another glosser is at http://www.barsoom.net/lojban/hezekiah/glossary.cgi Random Sentence Generator. The official one is from an earlier version of the grammar than the baselined version. However, most of the changes were additions so that most sentences generated are still grammatical. A revision of this might find a (low priority) place on the projects list. Intro Courses At least the first six lessons of Robin-the-Turk's course are clean (so far as reviewers can tell) and are available at http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin/lojbancourse.html. Apparently a Swedish version exists. There may be other courses out there, including a file from long ago at the official site. Word look-up Robin-the-Canuck dropped a gismu & cmavo look-up program into this list a few months ago. It should be in the archives. Failing that, there is always Search. Finally, the two most central tools THE BOOK -- all questions answered somewhere in there, if you read it right Lojban List -- for everything else, our panel of self-appointed (but user tested) experts will deal with any residual problems, like whether something really works whatever the parsers says or how do you say... .