From graywyvern@hotmail.com Sun Oct 22 14:56:27 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_1_0); 22 Oct 2000 21:56:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 17458 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.226) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 14:56:25 -0700 Received: from 63.25.135.102 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.25.135.102] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: RE:literalism Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2000 21:56:25.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC35C8E0:01C03C72] From: "michael helsem" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 4660 >From: "Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting)" li'o >total refrain from coining metaphoric tanru/lujvo >and sticking to literalism means death i only urge marking metaphorical usage whenever & wherever it occurs. however, it is possible to regard the omission of PEV/PE'A as a legitimate ellipsis where syllables are at a premium. (it would a be nice to have a word for this purpose & put the whole thing inside a FU'E-FU'O cartouche, but i'm reconciled to the lack thereof. i don't require lojban to have a specific construction for everything i want to do with language!) >I hate Lojban for the lujvo monsters I happened to see i imagine those longer than 2 or 3 rafsi will signify, perhaps, an overly GLIJBO style--which isn't necessarily MABLA--& in time acquire other connotations ("pedantic"? "philosophical"? "agglu- tinative language aficionado"?...) --two are plenty for almost any conversational usage, except for those pesky particularized nouns & we just have to learn to refer to things by their most relevant, general aspect (!). _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.