From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sun Dec 03 07:51:43 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_2); 3 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 31632 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jk.egroups.com) (10.1.10.92) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.4.66] by jk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2000 15:51:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:51:37 -0000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: le brajatna Message-ID: <90dq69+a0sc@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <90cjrq+10qat@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1156 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alfred_W._Tueting_(T=FCting)?=" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 4950 --- In lojban@egroups.com, "David Scriven" wrote: > [.i .ue le brajatna cu klama bilxotli > .i lo desku vipsi cu plipe judsanli > .i le go'i cusku lu .io xamgu cerni doi nol. li'u fo blevo'a > ni'o le brajatna catlu le vipsi zi simlu zu > .i ba le go'i sivcusku lu ze'eba nu mi cadzu mo'i zo'a do kai ba mi > djica lo bilrinsa .e na'e le tcima srenoi li'u] > > .i e'o ko lanli di'u ni'o le brajatna catlu le vipsi *zi simlu zu* Don't think that this will work for several reasons: 1) {zi} and {zu} stand for *distance* in time; you want to express time *intervals* So, e.g. putting {zi} at its proper place left of the selbri, it woun't have the desired meaning: le brajatna (pu)zi catlu le vipsi (... a short time ago) so {ze'i}/{ze'u} seems more appropriate. 2) {catlu} has only 2 places, so one would have to create a further one, maybe by using modals. 3) lastly, the (short) time interval has to be commented as seeming "age-long" - not too easy! Will have to think it over. Maybe like this (although a bit verbose): .i le brajatna caze'i catlu le vipsi noi se simlu le li'i ze'uku di'u co'o mi'e la .aulun.