From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Sun Dec 03 12:01:29 2000 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-6_3_1_2); 3 Dec 2000 20:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 76260 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2000 20:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2000 20:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bodhi.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.253) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2000 20:01:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (bodhi.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.253]) by bodhi.math.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13922; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:00:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:00:58 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: jimc@xena.cft.ca.us To: Ivan A Derzhanski Cc: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] common words In-Reply-To: <3A2A18BB.9F4E5880@math.bas.bg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Carter X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 4958 On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ivan A Derzhanski wrote: > .... > It should be the same. What it can mean is a different story. > {to'e} means scalar opposite, which is not the same thing as > reversal of the effect of an action, right? So {tolmifra} > doesn't automatically mean `decode'; there has to be a scale > that has {mifra} at one end. Who will volunteer to define it? Clearly, lo mifra means encrypted material while lo se mifra (selmifra) means unencrypted material, but that isn't exactly the puzzle that was posed. Hmmm..... Ana, it's obvious: tolmifra means "x1 is text (derived from original x2 by transformation procedure x3) which has been rendered understandable to the maximum degree", as opposed to being hidden by encryption. Or, tolmirgau means "clarify" in the sense of removing impediments to understanding such as jargon. (About "decoding the human genome": it isn't cyphertext. Our intellects are figuring out how to read it in its own represention, the same one our cells have been reading for billions of years. Similarly we don't "decode" .aulun's big5 Chinese poetry that he's translating into Lojban; readers with the skill and the software (I have neither) read the texts on the texts' own terms.) James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Internet: jimc@math.ucla.edu (finger for PGP key) UUCP:...!{ucsd,ames,ncar,gatech,purdue,rutgers,decvax,uunet}!math.ucla.edu!jimc