From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Jan 21 21:12:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_1_2); 22 Jan 2001 05:12:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 87614 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2001 05:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2001 05:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jan 2001 06:13:54 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (131.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.131]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0M5Cjv24881; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:12:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010122000937.00bbc8d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: lojban/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:13:06 -0500 To: Robin Lee Powell Subject: Re: [lojban] speech synthesizer Cc: michael helsem , lojban@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <3A68757F.3050402@reutershealth.com> References: <20010119114611.C29655@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5167 At 12:12 PM 01/19/2001 -0500, John Cowan wrote: >Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > I've been wondering: why _does_ lojban use ' instead of h? > >Historically, the vowel pairs with ' were originally written without >it, and you simply had to know that "ai" was a diphthong and "eu" >was two separate vowels. The current Lojban opposition between >"ai" and "a'i" did not (does not, in Institute Loglan) exist. > >Morphologically, "h" would suggest a consonant, but ' works more like >a diacritic on a vowel-pair, like the French trema. To which I'll add that I personally thought that the symmetry between the apostrophe for the devoiced glide and the close-comma for the voiced glide separating syllables was very clear and suggestive, and we also knew that the apostrophe is used in Greek to represent "rough breathing" which is an effect similar to what we expected the apostrophe to sound like. I no longer refer to "rough breathing" in teaching the language because I learned that the term "devoiced glide" better described what we were trying for, but the Greek parallel was part of the reason for that particular approach, as was the comma/apostrophe dichotomy. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org