From pycyn@aol.com Tue Feb 13 11:07:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 19:07:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12207 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 19:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 19:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 19:07:33 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.50.1156aac6 (17085) for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:07:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50.1156aac6.27badfed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:07:25 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] ma .uenai la lojban se klama To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_50.1156aac6.27badfed_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5459 --part1_50.1156aac6.27badfed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen -- and good luck. The forty-five year history of Loglan/Lojban has been almost entirely of tinkers, not talkers. At a guess, about 25 of the 250 people on the list at the moment, can read or write a simple Lojban sentence without look-up (I hope my estimate is low, fear it is high) or are inclined to try. But most have some interest in some aspects of some theoretical feature and will drop in from time to time to deal with one of those. Lojban, unfortunately, had a purpose, othr than (indeed different from) international communication and, while initially the work of one person, like Zamenhof, early on got other involved to improve on meeting that purpose. And we have never stopped. But I do think that we have been fine tuning beyond necessity of late (since about 1990, say) and that we can do just about anything in an apprpriate way now. So, yes, it is time to start talking in the critter more that talking about it. If the need for the notion that led to all this latesst discussion really arose in a functioning Lojban community, I suspect the solution would have arisen there as well, with a lot less fuss. --part1_50.1156aac6.27badfed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen -- and good luck.
The forty-five year history of Loglan/Lojban has been almost entirely of
tinkers, not talkers.  At a guess, about 25 of the 250 people on the list at
the moment, can read or write a simple Lojban sentence without look-up (I
hope my estimate is low, fear it is high) or are inclined to try.  But most
have some interest in some aspects of some theoretical feature and will drop
in from time to time to deal with one of those.  Lojban, unfortunately, had a
purpose, othr than (indeed different from) international communication and,
while initially the work of one person, like Zamenhof, early on got other
involved to improve on meeting that purpose.  And we have never stopped.  
But I do think that we have been fine tuning beyond necessity of late (since
about 1990, say) and that we can do just about anything in an apprpriate way
now.  So, yes, it is time to start talking in the critter more that talking
about it.  If the need for the notion that led to all this latesst discussion
really arose in a functioning Lojban community, I suspect the solution would
have arisen there as well, with a lot less fuss. --part1_50.1156aac6.27badfed_boundary--