From pycyn@aol.com Thu Feb 01 08:02:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_2_1); 1 Feb 2001 16:02:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 26703 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2001 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Feb 2001 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.9) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2001 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.c4.f3de7fe (14381) for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:56:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:56:20 EST Subject: RE: apostrophic fits To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c4.f3de7fe.27aae124_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5247 --part1_c4.f3de7fe.27aae124_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en The apostrophe is NOT a glottal stop or any kindof pause =E2=80=93 such cri= tters=20 function differently in Lojban.=C2=A0 It is a voiceless fricative different= =20 fromall the others in the language (x,c,s,f)and it also should not be=20 confusablewith a glide between two vowels (/a=E2=80=99e/ should not be conf= usable=20 with /aie/, say).=C2=A0 The official line is that it is IPA[h].=C2=A0 Howev= er, many=20 speakers do notalways distinguish x from [h] (indeed [h] is an allophone of= =20 /x/ even instandard Lojban) and [h] is often in effect a voiceless form of= =20 the followingvowel, causing a glidelike sound when the following vowel is=20 almost anythingbut /a/ or /y/ (and maybe then, for all I can tell).=C2=A0 W= hen=20 unclarity arises in either of these ways, I use andrecommend IPA theta (the= =20 =E2=80=9Cth=E2=80=9D sound most places except before =E2=80=9Ce=E2=80=9D in= English),which has neither of=20 these problems.=C2=A0Even I, however, cannot remember to use it until the p= roblem=20 arises.=20 --part1_c4.f3de7fe.27aae124_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en The apostrophe is NOT a glottal stop or any kindof pause =E2=80=93 such c= ritters=20
function differently in Lojban.=C2=A0 It is a voiceless fricative diffe= rent=20
fromall the others in the language (x,c,s,f)and it also should not be=20
confusablewith a glide between two vowels (/a=E2=80=99e/ should not be = confusable=20
with /aie/, say).=C2=A0 The official line is that it is IPA[h].=C2=A0 H= owever, many=20
speakers do notalways distinguish x from [h] (indeed [h] is an allophon= e of=20
/x/ even instandard Lojban) and [h] is often in effect a voiceless form= of=20
the followingvowel, causing a glidelike sound when the following vowel = is=20
almost anythingbut /a/ or /y/ (and maybe then, for all I can tell).=C2= =A0 When=20
unclarity arises in either of these ways, I use andrecommend IPA theta = (the=20
=E2=80=9Cth=E2=80=9D sound most places except before =E2=80=9Ce=E2=80= =9D in English),which has neither of=20
these problems.=C2=A0Even I, however, cannot remember to use it until t= he problem=20
arises. --part1_c4.f3de7fe.27aae124_boundary--