From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Feb 13 09:45:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@erika.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 13 Feb 2001 17:45:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 74255 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2001 17:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 13 Feb 2001 17:45:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO erika.sixgirls.org) (209.208.150.50) by mta2 with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 17:45:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by erika.sixgirls.org (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1DHj0W17743 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:45:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:45:00 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] ma .uenai la lojban se klama In-Reply-To: <01021223571703.00787@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5456 On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Bjoern Gohla wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > perhaps i am too demanding, too optimistic or just wrong, but for the couple > of years that i have been more or less following lojban, i have been having > the feeling that inspite of all the microdetailed exploration of the most > peculiar particles, i am missing the advancement on a larger scale. > > i have just been thinking of the esperanto community, not that lojban would > gain a comparable number of users in the forseeable future, but that sense of > inspiration and community surrounding it might well be borrowed from. and if > i recall correctly this is hinted at in the textbook. > > surely you will call this foolish utopianism, but i am always bearing the > idea of enlightenment making the world a more joyful place. and teaching > lojban could play a big part in it. I believe you're seeing that it's time for Lojban to reach a new level of development. A level of usage and exploration with Lojban, as opposed to creation and exploration of Lojban. However, most of the people involved are biased in the direction of creation. Excellent theorists and Linguists, yet precious few want to focus on usage. This is why there is not much original work being written in Lojban, but hairsplitting grammatical threads attract the most attention. I am certainly grateful that Lojban does have this strong basis, which other conlangs lack. It enables it to go places. Now I'd like to see it go places. I think that in terms of automated translation, going from Lojban --> Nat. Lang. is a "simple" process, whereas going from a Nat. Lang --> Lojban or any other Nat. Lang is a "difficult" process, and thus Lojban has potential to be an inter-language. I have also hinted at connections between Lojban and the forthcoming Semantic Web, that will tie our systems together not by streams of data, but streams of encoded meaning. My own direction is to focus on trying to be able to think inside Lojban, getting past the point of thinking in English and translating each sentence. Let's explore Lojban on the next semantic level -- the level of literature and thought. I am particularly interested in seeing how philosophy looks and feels from inside Lojban, and I've started a series of articles thus. ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!