From nicholas@uci.edu Tue Feb 20 23:54:37 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Feb 2001 07:54:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 20536 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2001 07:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Feb 2001 07:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Feb 2001 08:55:41 -0000 Received: from [128.195.187.85] (dialin53c-75.ppp.uci.edu [128.195.187.85]) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20031 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:54:35 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: nicholas@e4e.oac.uci.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010216215932.00af0130@127.0.0.1> References: <01021620541401.20721@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:53:31 -0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] nilbroda From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5545 >At 08:51 PM 02/16/2001 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>According to Chapter 12, the place structure of nilbroda is x1 is the >>amount of >>x2 brodaing x3 ... on scale xn, but according to both NORALUJV.txt and >>lujvo-list, those nilbroda that have ni-places have both of them first. >>What's >>right? >[Nora] is inclined (and I agree) that the ni2 >place is usually oblique and unnecessary enough that it should not go >second, in which case putting it in the end per the book makes sense. The >book also retains preeminence as a standard in case of doubt though the >chapter 12 rules are merely preferred conventions and not requirements for >the language. So barring comments from Nick, I would say the book rules >should win over the lujvo list files. *shrug* In cases like these, I put arguments like ni2 precisely because introducing broda makes the place structure variadic, and it's good for predictability to leave the open-ended places till last. (For the same reason, I wanted the comparandum of traji to be x2, not x4.) But of course the book takes priority, and the places of the broda would indeed be more important than the scale of quantification. Nick Nicholas, Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. nicholas@uci.edu www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis "All the nations also under his dominion were filled with joy and inexpressible gladness at not being even for a moment deprived of the benefits of a well ordered government." --- Eusebius of Caesaria on the accession of Constantine I.