From nicholas@uci.edu Wed Feb 14 19:05:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_3); 15 Feb 2001 03:05:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 40232 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 03:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2001 03:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 03:05:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17387; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:05:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:05:30 -0800 (PST) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Lojban Palm Pilot Files for Tomeraider Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5489 (English translation follows) .i mi ba'o zbasu loi lojbo datni poi ka'e se tcidu la'ogy." Tomeraider "gy. noi xancyskami je jubmyskami ke stura tcidytci .i la tomreider. ka'e se cpacu fi le judri po'u xy." http://www.tomeraider.com "xy. .i le cmene be le la .uindoz jubmyskami datni cu se fanmo zoigy." .tr "gy. .i le cmene be le xancyskami datni cu se fanmo zoigy." .pdb .gy" .i le'i datni cu se cmima lo rafsi liste po'u la'ogy." rafsi .gy" .e lo cmavo liste po'u la'ogy" cmavo ".gy .e lo selma'o liste po'u la'ogy" selmaho ".gy .e lo gismu liste poi cnici le glico ke ralju selsmu zi'epo'u la'ogy" gismuE .gy .e lo gismu liste poi cnici le lojbo valsi zi'e po'u la'ogy" gismuL .gy .i le la .uindoz. datni cu se ckaji loi dikni lerfu .e loi korcu lerfu kuku noi naka'e se jarco le xancyskami .i ro le gi'uste cu se ckaji loi seltcidyjorne befi loi simsa gismu .i le datni ka'e se cpacu fi le judri po'uxy." http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/dist/lojban.tr.zip ".xy .i mi ba zbasu lo la makintoc. datni ni'o mi ba'o carmi sisku lo vlasisku mutymi'e pe le xancyskami zi'epoi curmi lenu galfi loi vlaste .i nandu .i carmi curmi fa tu'a la'ogy." Dictionary "gy. petu'i zoixy. "http://www.evolutionary.net/dict-info.htm ".gy .iseki'ubo dy. se pilno lo se bangrtlingana lenu zbasu lo vlasisku poi na se nandu lenu le'i bangrtlingana valsi cu ca'o se jmina .iku'i dy. curmi lopo'o sampu vlaste .i le klani be le lerfu pe pa valsi ve skicu cu mleca li 200 .i la tomreider. cu ti'e masno ki'u lenu na'e steci vlami'e .i na jarco le liste be le mapti valsi be'o .e le ve skicu vi le mintu plita .i le la lotar. vlami'e ja'a go'i .i la'ogy" BDict gy. petu'i zoixy." http://www.beiks.com xy." cu pe'i xagrai fole'i xancyskami vlami'e .i mintu valsi jarco gi'e curmi lenu galfi le jarco tadji .i le la bydikt. zbasu na curmi lenu lo drata cu zbasu lo vlami'e datni .iku'i jai galfi lo se tcidu poi se dunda vo'a lo la bydikt. datni gi'enai djica lenu se pleji .i mi denpa lenu su'odo troci tu'a la tomreider. pu leka'e nu mi cpedu fi le la bydikt. zbasu *** I've just created Lojban databases readable in Tomeraider, a Palm and PC structured document reader. Tomeraider is available from http://www.tomeraider.com. The Windows databases end in .tr, and the Palm databases in .pdb. The files are a rafsi list (rafsi), a cmavo list (cmavo), a cmavo class list (selmaho), a gismu list ordered by English keyword (gismuE), and a gismu list ordered in Lojban (gismuL). The Windows databases have bold and italic, which cannot be displayed by the Palm. The gismu lists have hyperlinks to other gismu. The databases can be downloaded from http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/dist/lojban.tr.zip . I will also be creating a Mac version. I have been looking for dictionary programs for the Palm that allow editing dictionaries. This is difficult. It is easiest with Dictionary (http://www.evolutionary.net/dict-info.htm). This is why it is used by Klingonists to make a dictionary which is not inconvenienced by the fact that the Klingon vocabulary is constantly being added to. It allows less than 200 letters per entry. Tomeraider, I am told, is slow because it is not specifically a dictionary program. It does not display matching words and word definitions on the same screen. Lothar's dictionary did. I think BDict (http://www.beiks.com) is the best Palm dictionary engine. It uses a split screen and allows display customisation. BDict does not allow others to create dictionary files. But they will convert a file you give them to a dictionary file for free. I'll wait for some of you to try out Tomeraider before asking them to do so. -- Nick Nicholas. TLG, UCI, USA. nicholas@uci.edu; www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis Many among their proselytes had sold their lands and houses to increase the public riches of the sect --- at the expense, indeed, of their unfortunate children, who found themselves beggars because their parents had been saints. (Edward Gibbon, _Decline and Fall_.)