From pycyn@aol.com Tue Mar 27 14:22:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 27 Mar 2001 22:22:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 99065 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2001 22:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2001 22:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r12.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.66) by mta3 with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 23:22:16 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.6.141647dc (4011) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:20:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6.141647dc.27f26c39@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:20:41 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] lojban audial recognition etc. To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_6.141647dc.27f26c39_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6244 --part1_6.141647dc.27f26c39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/27/2001 2:02:47 PM Central Standard Time, Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes: > BTW, IMHO one reason for new Lojban-interested people getting bored off and > leaving again might be long philosophical threads of > the DJUNO/KRICI kind - whereas basic vocabulary to express ourselves is > still missing or at least not at all obvious! (like: > "already"/"still", "not yet"/"no longer" etc. - Don't remember the old > thread about this topic, which - as far I recall - had no real > conclusion: naza'o/za'onai ???) Shouldn't we better leave the ivory tower and turn toward people instead of > "linguistic" > specialties as sort of an oblivious and eccentric navel gazing? > Yes, but... those "ivory tower discussions" get started precisely because people have practical problems about how to say bip or what they have actually said when they say boo. We don't just pick these topics out of the air; they arise out of real problems. And they continue until something like a real solution is reached. We may (and in the case of {djuno} have) revive a topic from time to time to see if the solution still works in new environments or to clarify unnoticed (or forgotten) aspects of the solution. The content of the discussion may get technical or polyglot or abstract, but the motivation is always ultimately practical. --part1_6.141647dc.27f26c39_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/27/2001 2:02:47 PM Central Standard Time,
Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes:


BTW, IMHO one reason for new Lojban-interested people getting bored off and
leaving again might be long philosophical threads of
the DJUNO/KRICI kind - whereas basic vocabulary to express ourselves is
still missing or at least not at all obvious! (like:
"already"/"still", "not yet"/"no longer" etc. - Don't remember the old
thread about this topic, which - as far I recall - had no real
conclusion: naza'o/za'onai ???)

   Shouldn't we better leave the ivory tower and turn toward people instead of
   discussing
"linguistic"
specialties as sort of an oblivious and eccentric navel gazing?

Yes, but...  those "ivory tower discussions" get started precisely because
people have practical problems about how to say bip or what they have
actually said when they say boo. We don't just pick these topics out of the
air; they arise out of real problems.  And they continue until something like
a real solution is reached.  We may (and in the case of {djuno} have) revive
a topic from time to time to see if the solution still works in new
environments or to clarify unnoticed (or forgotten) aspects of the solution.
The content of the discussion may get technical or polyglot or abstract, but
the motivation is always ultimately practical.
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