From xod@sixgirls.org Sun Mar 18 20:00:27 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 04:00:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 45651 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 04:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 04:00:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 05:01:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2J3bPa09996 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:37:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:37:25 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 5958 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la xod cusku di'e > > >Hence, the English "know" reflects the beliefs of every speaker that > >transmits the fact. > > So does the phrase "it is true that ..." > > >Do we want this rather strange, intransitive (?) > >behavior in Lojban too? > > Why strange? Because I can't objectively report on Steve's knowledge without adding my own interpretation into it. That makes the meaning of my use of "knowledge" reflect the sum of my opinions + Steve's opinions. Shouldn't I be able to say "Steve djuno you are a Koala Bear", even if we know (feel) he's wrong? Is there any other Lojban word that automatically inserts the judgements of every narrator? ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!