From pycyn@aol.com Wed Mar 21 16:21:31 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 00:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 12399 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 00:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 00:21:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta3 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 01:22:35 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id r.3b.12160c54 (14381) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:21:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3b.12160c54.27ea9f7d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:21:17 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyanc... To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.12160c54.27ea9f7d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6118 --part1_3b.12160c54.27ea9f7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is important to notice that xod's claim/challenge is an empirical generalization, not -- as the connection with words has led us to think sometimes -- about definitions. For every x and y there is a z such that if x believes y then z would count as evidence for y within x's epistemology and x believes z. Note especially the "within x's epistemology", which goes beyond belief toward truth and knowledge and away from what I (or any non-x) might believe. --part1_3b.12160c54.27ea9f7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is important to notice that xod's claim/challenge is an empirical
generalization, not -- as the connection with words has led us to think
sometimes -- about definitions.
For every x and y there is a z such that if x believes y then z would count
as evidence for y within x's epistemology and x believes z.  Note especially
the "within x's epistemology", which goes beyond belief toward truth and
knowledge and away from what I (or any non-x) might believe. --part1_3b.12160c54.27ea9f7d_boundary--