From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Mar 19 15:19:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 23:19:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 99655 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 23:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 23:19:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 23:19:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2JMulx13112 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:56:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:56:47 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: krici (was: djuno [was: random lojban annoyance In-Reply-To: <3AB67E0E.8050907@reutershealth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6037 On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, John Cowan wrote: > Invent Yourself wrote: > > > > The logical conclusion of this is solipsism, a trivial case of extreme > > skepticism. > > Right. So to avoid that we say ... > > >> Some beliefs must be held without evidence, > > >> just as some truths > >> must be postulated without proof. > > > Do you mean an assumption? At best, then, krici is a exact synonym for > > sruma. > > Not at all. I may or may not believe an assumption. For the sake of getting past solipsism I assume you are really a consciousness outside my own, not just a figment of a dream of mine, and hence I write this email instead of simply ignoring you. But this is a working assumption, not an unbacked belief. It's not a belief because I don't believe it; I don't believe anything without proof. And whether you believe du'u or not has nothing to do with assumption. There's no point in assuming something you already believe! Therefore the only nontrivial case is the assumption of a fact that you don't believe. You assume it for the sake of argument. Hence, krici is trivially a proper subset of sruma, and otherwise a complete fiction. ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!