From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 08:17:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 25 Mar 2001 16:17:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 77601 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 16:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2001 16:17:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.156) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 16:17:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:17:38 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:17:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.27] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Uses of 'y' Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:17:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2001 16:17:38.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C506470:01C0B547] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6186 la Avital cusku di'e >As I understood, 'y' is used only between rafsi in a lujvo, where without >using 'y', there would be an illegal consonant cluster. There's also the letterals, by, cy, dy, and so on, but that would not be a problem. The problem are some lujvo where 'y' is necessary between what would be a legal cluster. For instance CCVCy rafsi. Otherwise, a lujvo like CCVC-CVCCV would be indistinguishable from CCV-CCV-CCV. >Also, as I >understand, any consonant cluster which is not 'easy' to pronounce may >have a 'short un-Lojbanic' vowel in between. If this is true, why is there >a real need for 'y'? Why can't people just implicitly add 'y', without >there being a formal letter for 'y'? The way lujvo morphology was designed, it is unavoidable to have 'y' as a real letter. Of course the morphology could have been made a lot simpler, but it wasn't. The main reason for that was the sacredness status given to the five-letter gismu forms. No doubt that part of the morphology is very nice, but in my opinion not nice enough to cancel the mess it causes in lujvo. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.