From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Mar 27 21:36:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 05:36:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 99678 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 05:36:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2S5cCC01428 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:38:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:38:11 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Finding krici in a navel (was: lojban audial recognition etc. In-Reply-To: <90.121c52e2.27f2b2fb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Value Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6268 On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2001 8:16:26 PM Central Standard Time, > xod@sixgirls.org writes: > > > > > I would settle for a place in krici that holds the belief-evidence, or at > > the very least a relaxation of the English to eliminate the condition that > > the selkrici must have no evidence. > > > > > {krici} with an evidence place is {jinvi}, which we have already. And the > English does not have a requirement that selkrici have no evidence, so we > can't eliminate it. The English does point out that the question of evidence > is not a relevant one to raise with {krici}, but that is different from > saying that there is none. x1 believes [without evidence/proof] belief/creed x2 (du'u) is true/assumed about subject x3 OK, perhaps the selkrici may "have" evidence, but if it exists, shouldn't that be the reason the believer believes? But for some mysterious reason, the believer ignores it, and believes regardless. Odd. > {krici} is purely psychological; not logical. Then let's get rid of the no-evidence condition. > (I seem to have been overly optimistic in thinking that the practical work of > the thread was done.) Don't worry about me. I have several more arguments lined up. I'm just taking a break! ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.