From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Apr 19 16:30:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 23:30:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 37162 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 23:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 23:30:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.129) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 23:30:59 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:30:59 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.24 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:30:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.24] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: "not only" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:30:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 23:30:59.0021 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9F02FD0:01C0C928] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6707 la pycyn cusku di'e >I take it that everyone agrees that for the general case "Only S is P" >means >"All P is S" and thus does not entail "Some S is P" or even "Something is >P". Now I'm not sure I agree with that. In any case, the entailment, if there is one, would never be "Some S is P" but "All S is P". For example: "Only the cat and the dog like that chair" would entail that both the cat and the dog like the chair, not that at least one of them likes the chair. In your view, the following makes sense: "Only the cat and the dog like that chair, but only the cat likes it, and the cat doesn't like it." I don't believe that is merely a violation of implicature, to me it is strictly nonsense. > If there is some doubt about this, consider the following. For humans it >is >universally true that only females are pregnant. "It is universally true that only females can be pregnant" would be the normal way to say it. Let's consider a slightly different use of "only": My wife is the only one who likes olives. The cat is the only one that likes that chair. Females are the only ones that can be pregnant. Do these entail that my wife is one who likes olives, that the cat is one that likes that chair and that females are ones that can be pregnant? We could always make a lujvo in Lojban with the following place structure: x1 is/are the only one(s) with property x2 among x3 where (1) x1 is a member (or subgroup) of x3, (2) x1 (or every member of x1) must have property x2, and (3) no member of x3 which is x1 (or a member of x1) can have property x3. I wonder whether {selte'i} already means that... i le mlatu cu selte'i le ka nelci le va stizu i piro loi ninmu cu selte'i le ka ka'e pazvau co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.