From biomass@hobbiton.org Tue Apr 10 13:25:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: biomass@hobbiton.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 10 Apr 2001 20:25:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 88280 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 20:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2001 20:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO elrond.hobbiton.org) (216.161.236.97) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 20:24:45 -0000 Received: from hobbiton.org (biomass@thorin.hobbiton.org [216.161.236.98]) by elrond.hobbiton.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3AKQiV11611 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:26:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (biomass@localhost) by hobbiton.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3AKM9E03006 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:22:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:22:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: biomass@thorin To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: A set of questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Avital Oliver X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6461 After I (finally) got ahold of a copy of the Reference Grammer, and read it quite deeply, I have a few questions: 1) The book states that the tense modifier co'u states the actual endpoint of an event, and mo'u states the natural endpoint, which may be before or after co'u. Even still, za'o means "the time after mo'u, but before co'u", and there is no modifier for "the time after co'u, but before mo'u". Did I understand correctly, and if so, help? 2) Why are there no incidental clause counterparts for po and po'e, as there are for pe and po'u? 3) Why are there no non-veridical counterparts for almost any restrictive clause? 4) Why are there no non-veridical incidental clauses? 5) How are stage 4 fu'ivla really created? Are they used? What happened with the CCVVCV proposition for cultures, as stated in the book? 6) What is the difference between le ramei prenu, le prenu ramei and le re prenu? Is PA+mei really used other than as the single brivla in a selbri? 7) Can/How can pe, po, po'u be 'defined' using only poi? (Would be ?) 8) Why is ke'a needed? Why not always state that after a NOI clause, the x1 of the clause bridi is ke'a, and if needed for any other places, you can use ke'a? 9) vu'o connects the entire previous (group of) sumti. How can you connect only 'part' of it, such as the last two out of three? 10) Is there any way to generate 'generic parenthesis', which could be used whenever one doesn't remember exactly how to group that type, or so forth? Some type of way to group tanru, and logical connectives, and non-logical connectives, and mekso, and...? 11) Is there any method to do something like intersectino of two tenses? How would I translate "Was he here today?"? As I see it, that would mean intersecting the time of 'pu' with the time of 'ca '. 12) Why is there no generic way to say "during the next occurence of X"? I think using ca le bavlamdei is quite ugly, especially when you want to do some more complex things, like next week, next week+3 days, in 2 days, 4 days ago, ...? I'd expect there to be a cmavo stating "N occurences of X from now" or something. 13) The fact that there are different ways of saying a lujvo with the same meaning (selbri, selbridi, ...) would probably make it very hard to search for lojban websites (if any really exist out of the known community), How would I know what to search for? Using an 'official dictionry' kind of loses the potential of Lojban, doesn't it? 14) What's the difference between do'e and pe? Thank you all in adgvance, Avital Oliver.