From nicholas@uci.edu Wed Apr 11 16:09:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 11 Apr 2001 23:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13182 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 23:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2001 23:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 23:09:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03772; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Brochure problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6478 Hm. The HTML problems Robin is having are strange, but I think I know why they're there. The Lojban *is* being marked as distinct from the main text, but it's being marked as TT. The page is in Unicode font, because unfortunately DSSSL forces it --- the XML has entities for things like — , but I haven't worked out how to stop the beastie from converting the — into raw Unicode (or at least make a numerical Unicode entity). And if I don't force display in Unicode, the UTF-8 em dash comes out as Latin-1 gibberish. Therefore, if you have the same Unicode font sent for fixed-width and proportional, they'll look the same. I don't, so they don't. Furthermore, the CSS stylesheet *is* there; unfortunately, Netscape 4 tends to ignore it, as its CSS support is patchy. Loath as I am to admit it, Internet Explorer has no problem with the CSS. Icky all round. The real solution, I guess, is to force the HTML not to output raw Unicode, or at least to postprocess the HTML files to convert the Unicode sequences into entities. But of course, the whole *point* of using something like DocBook in the first place is to avoid any postprocessing. I'll keep tinkering with it. The TeX snafu is a serious problem, and likely to inhere in Jade rather than the stylesheet. I will switch over to the more recent OpenJade, in case this is a bug that has been fixed. (Jade hasn't been touched in three years.) But I cannot tinker with the raw TeX file; and again, the whole point of the exercise is that I shouldn't need to. When I get hold of OpenJade, I'll let you know. The underlying problem in all of this is that the stylesheet technology is still new and in flux, and not as thoroughly tested as it should be. (I found a bug in the DocBook stylesheets, even though they've been around for three years.) So regrettably there will be hiccups along the way. Meanwhile, lesson 3 has been added. -- Momenton senpretende paseman mi retenis kaj # NICK NICHOLAS. kultis kvazaux # TLG, UCI, USA. senhorlogxan elizeon # www.opoudjis.net (Dume: # nicholas@uci.edu [Victor Sadler, _Memkritiko_ 90] #