From phma@oltronics.net Tue Apr 10 14:11:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 10 Apr 2001 21:11:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 88594 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 21:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2001 21:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (207.15.133.30) by mta2 with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 21:11:49 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9CF423C568; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A set of questions Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:07:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104101724510A.19811@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6462 On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Avital Oliver wrote: >After I (finally) got ahold of a copy of the Reference Grammer, and read >it quite deeply, I have a few questions: > >1) The book states that the tense modifier co'u states the actual endpoint >of an event, and mo'u states the natural endpoint, which may be before or >after co'u. Even still, za'o means "the time after mo'u, but before co'u", >and there is no modifier for "the time after co'u, but before mo'u". Did I >understand correctly, and if so, help? The modifier for indicating that co'u precedes mo'u is xa'o, which was recently made up and is experimental. >5) How are stage 4 fu'ivla really created? Are they used? What happened >with the CCVVCV proposition for cultures, as stated in the book? I use them and usually make them up by taking some word that's close enough to fu'ivla tarmi and making it fit. Here are some examples: mlongena: eggplant (Solanum melongena) - whether the eggplant is distinct from the brinjal I'm not certain; I've also seen S. esculentum for the eggplant tce'exo: Czech malgaci: Malagasy (of Madagascar) skalduna: Basque (they call themselves "euskaldunak") lartodektu: widow spider (Latrodectus spp.) I have proposed a scheme wherein other than CCVVCV-seltarmi fu'ivla can have rafsi. The rafsi of these words are mlongen, tce'ex, skaldun, and lartodekt; malgaci does not have a rafsi because malgacysmani parses as a derogatory term meaning "gas monkey", so is unusable for lemur. But I'm waiting for Richard Curnow to write some code to lex them. >8) Why is ke'a needed? Why not always state that after a NOI clause, the >x1 of the clause bridi is ke'a, and if needed for any other places, you >can use ke'a? I usually assume that it's the first open place, if that makes sense. If it isn't, I may assume that anyway and get confused. phma