From pycyn@aol.com Tue Apr 17 15:44:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 22:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 43348 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 18:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 18:35:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.70) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 18:35:37 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.85.9bba9f1 (25512) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85.9bba9f1.280de6dc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:35:08 EDT Subject: RE: not only To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.9bba9f1.280de6dc_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6612 --part1_85.9bba9f1.280de6dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/17/2001 5:08:18 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes: > I came across to express the idea of "not only" in Lojban and am not too= =20 > sure how to do: > As far I can see, there are just two ways at hand, namely somehow using=20 > {po'o} or something with {pamei}. > Any advice? >=20 This looks like an acute attack of leka malglico (well, malSAE, given "non= =20 solo sed etiam" from Latin I). =A0In the language of logic (and so, presuma= bly,=20 in the logical language) "not only Ss are Ps" is "not all Ps are Ss". =A0Th= e=20 "but also Qs are Ps" is just "and [some] Qs are P's " (with or without an "= in=20 addition" thrown in). nake ro lo se citka be lo ratcu cu cirla .ije ra [=3Dlo ratcu] cu citka lo= =20 rectu [ji'a] nake ro lo citka be lo rectu cu ratcu .ije le mlatu [ji'a] cu citka lo rect= u --part1_85.9bba9f1.280de6dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 4/17/2001 5:08:18 AM Central Daylight Time,=20
Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes:



I came across to express = the idea of "not only" in Lojban and am not too=20
sure how to do:
As far I can see, there are just two ways at hand, namely somehow using= =20
{po'o} or something with {pamei}.
Any advice?



This looks like an acute attack of leka malglico (well, malSAE, given "= non=20
solo sed etiam" from Latin I). =A0In the language of logic (and so, pre= sumably,=20
in the logical language) "not only Ss are Ps" is "not all Ps are Ss". = =A0The=20
"but also Qs are Ps" is just "and [some] Qs are P's " (with or without = an "in=20
addition" thrown in).

nake ro lo se citka be lo ratcu cu cirla .ije ra [=3Dlo ratcu] cu citka= lo=20
rectu [ji'a]
nake ro lo citka be lo rectu cu ratcu .ije le mlatu [ji'a] cu citka lo = rectu --part1_85.9bba9f1.280de6dc_boundary--