From xod@sixgirls.org Thu Apr 19 12:53:18 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 19:53:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 16044 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (63.219.55.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 19:53:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3JJrFc14610 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:53:15 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "not only" In-Reply-To: <9bndhg+t4ud@eGroups.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Value Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6696 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, A.W.T. wrote: > --- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote: > > > If there is some doubt about this, consider the following. For humans i= > t is > > universally true that only females are pregnant. So, in particular, it i= > s > > true that only female inhabitants of the Carmel of Sts Tereesa and Theres= > e > > are pregnant. But, even though there are female (and only female) > > inhabitants, it does not follow that any of them are pregnant. > > Similarly, only female inhabitants of Gethsemani Abbey are pregnant. It = > does > > not follow from this that any of these men is pregnant, indeed, from the = > fact > > that they are all men it follows that none of them is pregnant. Of cours= > e, > > you could say that it is not true of these groups that only female member= > s > > are pregnant, but that entails that they are not human, contrary to all t= > he > > available evidence. > > I don't at all accept your tricky "*are* (pregnant)", which is false - henc= > e all your further statements deducted. > > {lo'e fetsi cu ka'e pazvau} -> true > {lo'e fetsi po'onai cu ka'e pazvau} -> true > {lo'e fetsi noi se zdani la'o gy The Carmel of Sts Tereesa and Therese gy c= > u ka'e pazvau} -> true > (I think, this doesn't claim that there are females there at all nor that t= > hey're pregnant) > {lo'e fetsi noi se zdani la cys. ge'u po'onai cu ka'e pazvau} -> ????? > (is only the typical female *living in the Carmel* innately capable to be p= > regnant?! Yet, using the {noi} here instead of {poi} > maybe could save here - not too sure though.) Exactly correct. He is exploiting English-weirdness which flips the meaning of "are pregnant" between "ka'e pazvau" and "ca'a pazvau". ------ 1.Why are you measuring the measure? The measure is the same. Even after Great One, the bones will be broken. I am telling you. Relic should believe me. 2.Where after religion you believe in religion and wish that to Ora. Emptiness is that what Baby God's Eye is fighting for.