From pycyn@aol.com Mon Apr 09 14:36:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 9 Apr 2001 21:36:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 52109 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 21:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 9 Apr 2001 21:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r13.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.67) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 21:36:31 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.cd.4c8a934 (17087) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:36:18 EDT Subject: Re: Honorifics [was: Re: [lojban] translation of "Mark" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.4c8a934.28038552_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6454 --part1_cd.4c8a934.28038552_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/2001 4:05:05 PM Central Daylight Time, Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes: > > > --- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote: > > > Allegro probably lost most of his claim to be a scholar with that one, > though > > he has precedents -- Soma was probably muscarine or a related compound > from > > Amanita muscaria or a related mushroom -- and the pictures make so much > sense! > > All I can grasp is "amanita muscaria" - please at least try to educate me, > Jesus!! > (Although not too interested in, I could get quite a lot more from Robins > Sorry, aol does not always send messages where they might naturally go -- or where they are aimed. John Allegro, a good biblical scholar who worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls among other things, published "The [Sacred?] Mushroom and the Cross" (or maybe it was the other way round) and a couple of other books in which he claimed that the whole Jesus story was a cover myth for a magic mushroom cult, Amanitism (or Muscarism, if you will). He goes into some detail about the code involved: the cross is the cross-section of a mature A.m. (iffy), the virgin birth has to do with the womb-shaped preemergent fruiting body (if I remember the terminology correctly; pi,er will correct if I don't) -- it is the picture of that critter that is so impressive. The kingdom of heaven is the muscarine buzz, the bread of heaven is A.m. chunks, the wine of heaven is probably Soma, the indian sacred drink which, by another scholarly group with better credentials, is identified as the urine of muscarine intoxicated adepts -- rich in a hallucinogenic metabolite of muscarine which has the advantage of not being fatal in such small doses. And so on. I re Robin-CA, I disremember what was made of the phallic side of A.m. (a representation of Shiva in Indic lore, I think) but it may have been minor, since the mushroom of choice is not one of the fungi call phalloides (but then, umbrellas counted for Freud, and A.m. is surely as good as a bumbershoot). --part1_cd.4c8a934.28038552_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/2001 4:05:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes:

--- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote:

> Allegro probably lost most of his claim to be a scholar with that one,
though
> he has precedents -- Soma was probably muscarine or a related compound
from
> Amanita muscaria or a related mushroom -- and the pictures make so much
sense!

All I can grasp is "amanita muscaria" - please at least try to educate me,
Jesus!!
(Although not too interested in, I could get quite a lot more from Robins
message :-))

Sorry, aol does not always send messages where they might naturally go -- or
where they are aimed.
John Allegro, a good biblical scholar who worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls
among other things, published "The [Sacred?] Mushroom and the Cross" (or
maybe it was the other way round) and a couple of other books in which he
claimed that the whole Jesus story was a cover myth for a magic mushroom
cult, Amanitism (or Muscarism, if you will). He goes into some detail about
the code involved: the cross is the cross-section of a mature A.m. (iffy),
the virgin birth has to do with the womb-shaped preemergent fruiting body (if
I remember the terminology correctly; pi,er will correct if I don't) -- it is
the picture of that critter that is so impressive. The kingdom of heaven is
the muscarine buzz, the bread of heaven is A.m. chunks, the wine of heaven is
probably Soma, the indian sacred drink which, by another scholarly group with
better credentials, is identified as the urine of muscarine intoxicated
adepts -- rich in a hallucinogenic metabolite of muscarine which has the
advantage of not being fatal in such small doses. And so on. I re Robin-CA,
I disremember what was made of the phallic side of A.m. (a representation of
Shiva in Indic lore, I think) but it may have been minor, since the mushroom
of choice is not one of the fungi call phalloides (but then, umbrellas
counted for Freud, and A.m. is surely as good as a bumbershoot).
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