From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Mon Apr 16 06:43:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 16 Apr 2001 13:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 92157 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 13:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2001 13:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta02-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.42) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 13:43:33 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.252.15.17]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010416134332.WEZR290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:43:32 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Cmavo to never use Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010414123213.A475@twcny.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6567 Rob: > (in response to http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9411/msg00275.html) > > I disagree that {la'i} is useless. Things that might share other > characteristics because of sharing a name would be _objects_ that are named. > > {le karce vecnu pu vecnu la'i porc.} - The car salesman sold a set of > Porsches. Assuming that you are naming each car "porc", then if the salesman sold them together, collectively, then he sold lai porc, while if they sold them separately then he sold la porc. > In fact, because of this, I think that there should be a {la} equivalent to > {lo'e} and {le'e}. Using xa'e for this purpose (is it used already?) you could > say something like {xa'e pakrd. bel. poi skami cu spofu} - "The typical > Packard Bell computer is broken." You'd be much better off making a lujvo or fu'ivla for Packard Bell than using a name; cmene are a right pain in the arse. And then you wouldn't need {xa'e}. --And.