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Subject: Re: RE:not only
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--- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote:
> Someplace back in the archives, whether for the net or various face-to-fa=
=3D=0D
ces,=20
> is the history of {po'o} as a crutch.  First semester logic students have=
=3D=0D
=20
> bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third=20
> century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this prob=
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lem)=20
> and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable.  So, to s=
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ave=20
> them from having to think about what they were committed to (while still =
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> keeping that commitment tucked away in the deep semantics) we gave them=20
> {po'o} with the grammar of UI, so that they wouldn't even have toi strugg=
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le=20
> with the differences among the various places "only" (solus, monos,...)=20
> turned up, but could keep their SAE habits intact (aulun: what does Chine=
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se=20
> do for these cases?...

Oh, the Chinese are doing it the pretty common and old-fashioned way: =A4=
=A3=A6=FD =3D=0D
... =A6=D3=A5B; =A4=A3=B6=C8... =A6=D3=A5B (bu2 dan4/
jin3 ... er2 qie3 - bu dann/jiin ... erl chyee) which is "not only ... and/=
=3D=0D
but moreover" almost like in Lojban=20
{gi'epo'onai lo'e ratcu giji'a lo'e mlatu cu citka lo rectu}!
for example: =A4=A3=B6=C8=ACO=A4p=AB=C4=A6=D3=A5B=A4j=A4H=A4]=B8=F2=AA=CC=
=A4@=B0_=AA=B1 (bu jin shi xiaohai erqie da re=3D=0D
n ye genzhe yiqi wan): Not only=20
the kids but also the grown-ups/adults shared in playing.

BTW, shouldn't the lojban construction rather use {gi'enapo'o...} if the {l=
=3D=0D
o'e ratcu} is referred to?

co'o mi'e .aulun.