From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Thu Apr 19 01:07:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 08:07:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 32213 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 08:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 08:07:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ho.egroups.com) (10.1.2.219) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 08:07:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.112] by ho.egroups.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2001 08:07:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:07:17 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE:not only Message-ID: <9bm6bl+3ano@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1216 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "A.W.T." X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6685 --- In lojban@y..., "Jorge Llambias" wrote: > It's extremely hard for me to believe that "only my wife likes > olives" does not entail "my wife likes olives", but it doesn't > really matter if this is how English works. In Lojban, if you > say {le mi speni ku po'o nelci lo'e rasygrute} then you are > commited to {le mi speni cu nelci lo'e rasygrute}, no matter > whether the English "equivalent" requires it or not. Also, > {po'o} is appropriate only if there is no other relevant olive > liker. Just like in {le mi speni ku ji'a nelci lo'e rasygrute}, > {ji'a} would be appropriate only if there is some other relevant > olive liker. If this were true (that "only my wife likes olives" does not entail "my wife likes olives"), I'd be deeply shocked and would have to state that English *not only* "occasionally" is not a logical language! (Hence, no longer wondering/puzzled about statements of the kind la buc. is uttering...) I'm not a trained logician (at least not of that kind), but {le mi speni ku po'o nelci lo'e rasygrute} (and it also should in English logic!) states: 1) lemi speni cu nelci lo'e rasygrute 2) .ijeji'a ra nelci be ri be'o pamei co'o mi'e .aulun.