From pycyn@aol.com Tue Apr 10 15:44:01 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 10 Apr 2001 22:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 57670 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2001 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Apr 2001 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Apr 2001 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.b0.12f34cf2 (4511) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:43:35 EDT Subject: Re: Honorifics [was: Re: [lojban] translation of "Mark" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b0.12f34cf2.2804e697_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 6464 --part1_b0.12f34cf2.2804e697_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/2001 2:16:45 PM Central Daylight Time, Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes: > have an English expression at > hand) giving "dark" hallucinatory impact> Henbane, Hyoscyamus niger. but the bright side has always been preferred in religious ceremonies (and for curing runny noses, for that matter). Also Tibet and, indeed, most places where the fly agaric grows. I think it is the phallic that gets 'em -- plus, of course, the fact that it is easy to spot and can't readily be mistaken (I am assured) for more deadly relatives (death angels, death trumpets,...). --part1_b0.12f34cf2.2804e697_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/2001 2:16:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de writes:


<I - if ever - would have imagined the use of "Bilsenkraut" (sorry, don't
have an English expression at
hand) giving "dark" hallucinatory impact>


Henbane, Hyoscyamus niger. but the bright side has always been preferred in
religious ceremonies (and for curing runny noses, for that matter).

<Oh, just heard this story related to northern (e.g. Siberian) peoples using
the muscaridine hallucinogenic power (which is said to
give an impression of "light", i.e. an intense brightness) to better stand
the extended dark seasons in those areas>
Also Tibet and, indeed, most places where the fly agaric grows.  I think it
is the phallic that gets 'em -- plus, of course, the fact that it is easy to
spot and can't readily be mistaken (I am assured) for more deadly relatives
(death angels, death trumpets,...). --part1_b0.12f34cf2.2804e697_boundary--