From pycyn@aol.com Mon May 28 17:56:23 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 29 May 2001 00:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 67212 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 29 May 2001 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3 with SMTP; 29 May 2001 00:56:22 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.7e.15a0669c (25100) for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 20:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e.15a0669c.28444db3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:56:19 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: Grammar Clarifications To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.15a0669c.28444db3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7328 --part1_7e.15a0669c.28444db3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:52:55 PM Central Daylight Time, xod@sixgirls.org writes: > <> That aside > > (incompetence, surely -- why will people take up a logical language and > not > > learn logic?), just why has identity, of all the logical primitives, > fallen > > into disfavor? > > > > Anti-malglico backlash; discomfort with the fact that it can't be tossed > around like "is".> > But, as noted, it CAN be tossed around like the English word "is." It is just that doing so is considered 1) very bad style 2) (as in logic classes) evidence that you don't really understand what you are doing/saying 3) likely to get you into deep doo-doo in complicated cases. All of which are true. But none of these are reasons to dump {du}, just reasons to learn to use it (and the rest of the apparatus) correctly. Without {du} we can't do a large nuumber of things that any language, but especially a logical langauge, needs to do. --part1_7e.15a0669c.28444db3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:52:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:



<> That aside
> (incompetence, surely -- why will people take up a logical language and
not
> learn logic?), just why has identity, of all the logical primitives,
fallen
> into disfavor?



Anti-malglico backlash; discomfort with the fact that it can't be tossed
around like "is".>



But, as noted, it CAN be tossed around like the English word "is."  It is
just that doing so is considered 1) very bad style 2) (as in logic classes)
evidence that you don't really understand what you are doing/saying 3) likely
to get you into deep doo-doo in complicated cases.  All of which are true.  
But none of these are reasons to dump {du}, just reasons to learn to use it
(and the rest of the apparatus) correctly.  Without {du} we can't do a large
nuumber of things that any language, but especially a logical langauge, needs
to do. --part1_7e.15a0669c.28444db3_boundary--