From pycyn@aol.com Thu May 03 18:54:14 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 01:54:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 67015 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 May 2001 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id r.18.c464136 (18716) for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <18.c464136.282365bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:54:03 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Predicate logic and childhood. To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18.c464136.282365bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7049 --part1_18.c464136.282365bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/2001 8:08:06 PM Central Daylight Time, arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes: > > > ko broda da > > means > > I hereby command that there be some da such that do broda da > > and not > > There is some da such that I hereby command that do broda da > > which cannot be expressed in Lojban satisfactorily. > {da zo'u ko broda da} and probably {da se broda ko}. Structure words aside, extending scope requires anaphora of the scope determiner (here ko = do). --part1_18.c464136.282365bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/2/2001 8:08:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
arosta@uclan.ac.uk writes:




   ko broda da

means

   I hereby command that there be some da such that do broda da

and not

   There is some da such that I hereby command that do broda da

which cannot be expressed in Lojban satisfactorily.


{da zo'u ko broda da} and probably {da se broda ko}.  Structure words aside,
extending scope requires anaphora of the scope determiner (here ko = do).  
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