From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri May 04 16:11:59 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 4 May 2001 23:11:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 20711 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 23:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 4 May 2001 23:11:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.225) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 May 2001 23:11:58 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:11:58 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.49 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2001 23:11:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.49] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Predicate logic and childhood. Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 23:11:57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2001 23:11:58.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E27E1E0:01C0D4EF] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7054 la robyspir cusku di'e >Aha, that does help clear things up. >{do bazi nicygau ledo klama .ijo nu'e mi curmi lenu do klama le panka} {nu'e} is a vocative, (although like every vocative but {doi} it should have been a UI) so it has to be {nu'edo'u}. >I think that this makes {nu'e} apply to {.ijo} so that the parent promises >to >make {.ijo} true. Yes, I agree that should be the interpretation. {i nu'e go ... gi ...} would make it perfectly clear though, and there {do'u} is ellidable. > > Even with {nu'e}, there is > > no hint as to which of the two possibilities the parent has a > > preference for. > >This can be resolved with an attitudinal as well. >{e'o do bazi nicygau ledo klama .ijo nu'e mi curmi lenu do klama le panka} Yes, as a promise it works much better than as a statement. >I still don't exactly like {do bazi}. Is there a way to modify {ko} to make >it >only apply to the bridi it's in? {koku} or something of the sort? You could say: {ko nicygau ledo kumfa i go'i ijo nu'edo'u mi curmi lenu do klama le panka} co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.