From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Jun 10 20:23:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 11 Jun 2001 03:23:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 57658 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2001 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2001 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.176) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Jun 2001 03:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:23:44 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.59 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:23:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.59] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] selma'o Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:23:43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jun 2001 03:23:44.0111 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB42CFF0:01C0F225] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7791 la kreig cusku di'e >trying to learn the language without the selma'o, since >they confuse me. I'm doing just fine, for someone who's only been at it for >less than one month - it took me almost a year before I could write poetry >in Spanish (and it was even worse than what I've attempted in lojban.). I think that's great, I really meant it. >I >think a native speaker would know that they could say "lo vecnu cu melbi" >or >"le vecnu cu melbi" but not "mi vecnu cu melbi" as the same structure >grammatically before they had even heard of selma'o. I agree. Native speakers would not know about selma'o until they studied grammar. >Now of course "mi vecnu >cu melbi" is gramatical lojban. Actually it is not. But that does not mean you can't learn it, it only means you still haven't picked up that rule. >but it means "The salesman thinks I'm >beautiful" rather than "the salesman is beautiful" That might be {mi vecnu melbi}. You can't insert {cu} in the middle of a tanru, {cu} is always at the beginning of the selbri, nothing of the selbri can come before it. It is one of the best words of the language in how much flexibility it affords. >Now as for your assertion that you can't learn lojban. >by imitation, Whenever did I make such an assertion?! I sure hope you can, or else Lojban is not feasible as a language. i e'e ko di'a cilre fu le do se zmanei co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.