From xod@sixgirls.org Sat Jun 16 19:44:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 17 Jun 2001 02:44:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 92321 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2001 02:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Jun 2001 02:44:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO thefly.sixgirls.org) (24.29.118.25) by mta2 with SMTP; 17 Jun 2001 02:44:54 -0000 Received: from thefly.sixgirls.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by thefly.sixgirls.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE8275AD4E for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Sixgirls Industries To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Are attitudinals assertions? (was: Attitudinals again (was: Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:19:25 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3B2BED48.8101.4DC907@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3B2BED48.8101.4DC907@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061622192503.08425@thefly.sixgirls.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-From: Value Yourself From: Value Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8088 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 16 June 2001 17:35, Daniel Gudlat wrote: > On 15 Jun 2001, at 12:12, Anthony Roach wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:37:16PM +0000, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > > > Is a smile an assertion to you? > > > > > > No, because there is no proposition involved. > > > > I'm new to this list, I don't know much Lojban, and I've never been > > formally introduced to you all (Hi!), but I think I have idea on how > > to clarify this for xod and others: > > > > This is an assertion: "I am smiling". > > This is not an assertion: ":-)" ko .e mi co'a lanli le jei le banli terfrica cu renvi le pu'u lojbo xelfanv= a=20 .u'i .o'u=20 .ie ko'a goi le cmavo be fa zo ui na selbri .i ku'i ko'a mapti le fatci .i = do=20 bilga le nu finti le ba'e fatci rinka le du'u zo .ui frica lu mi gleki li'u= =20 dada'o .i mi'u ru'a ro do djica zo selxu'a poi fanva zoi gy. assertion .gy fu ke'a= =20 .i se'o le mu'e cusku ko'a ka'e tcica .iseni'ibo ko'a ckaji le ka jetnu .i= =20 va'i dada'o jei me ko'a va'o cusku ko'a to .i a'ucu'i do ba'urdu'u le steci= =20 valsi poi mi pilno ke'a fi di'u toi .i ja'o ka'e xusra ko'a .u'isai .ionairu'e ma banli terfrica to .i ba'acai do ba ze'u darlu le selsmuni be zo xusra .i .u'inai toi > So that everyone has the chance to call me a hypocrite, I'll add one > more thing: This discussion is without the slightest bit of doubt > exactly one of those things which should be discussed in lojban > exclusively by fluent speakers of the language, as Lojbab has already > remarked. .i ru'a ganai do ta'e pensi bau la lojban. gi do sanji le du'u le cmavo be = zo=20 ui goi ko'e poi srana le xarmu'e cu traji le kamvlipa .i da'i do djica ko'e= =20 poi nolsatci selsmuni le cafne selbri to .i .u'i mi sanji le du'u mi puzu gunta le si'o xarmu'e .i mi cilre fo le= =20 lizypensi le du'u ro seldjica ca'a mapti xy. toi .i ja'o le za'i do ze'a pensi bau ly. cu basti .e'u le mu'e mi'a tcidu tu'a= =20 li 13 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjssE60ACgkQBeKfilUsqxnpYQCgti1q1GZjcyVTsamhIDx8kct4 tP8An3kdFq3TB5U0XdWkzJKz0kYQu/D4 =3DgYUy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----