From yahoo@gdyke.org Fri Jun 22 03:06:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: yahoo@gdyke.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 10:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 3100 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 10:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2001 10:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c9.egroups.com) (10.1.2.66) by mta1 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 10:06:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: yahoo@gdyke.org Received: from [10.1.10.95] by c9.egroups.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 10:06:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:06:10 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help!! learning Lojban Message-ID: <9gv5ai+699n@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 5023 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.5.240.1 From: yahoo@gdyke.org X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8239 Hi Last time I posted, I tried to say something in Lojban, but it took me ages to work out what I was being answered. Since then, I've been lurking and trying to understand what you're on about ;) tough with over 800 posts this month! So I set about trying to understand a text written in Lojban ("I have a dream" speech). Either I didn't choose the easiest one or I'm not very good at logical thinking or Nick is using a brand of lojban that's not in the book ;) I haven't yet looked at the original, as I may not understand my mistakes as well if I do. Here's the Lojban text with my attempt at translation (sometimes real english, sometimes the I hope for the event of the propriety of... type). I'd really appreciate your comments and help. .i mi fi do ca cusku doi pendo fe ledu'u mi mu'inai loi cazi li'i nandu joi se steba cu ca'o pacna da .i da mutce se jicmu le'e merko se pacna **I say to you, friends, that I, in spite of the present difficulties and frustra-tions, have a hope ; one that is based on the american dream .i mi pacna lenu levi natmi baco'a virnu gi'e tarti tu'a le fatci smuni be leri kriselsku po'u lu mi xusra ledu'u ledi'e jetnu si'unai se jimpe .itu'e ro remna cu jikydunli co'a lenu ri se zbasu li'u **I hope the day will come when this nation is brave and behaves according to the actual meaning of this country's constitution - "I assert the fact that the fol-lowing utterance is true unaided by the understood thing : each human is social-ly equal from the moment of hisser conception" .i mi pacna lenu vi le xunre cmama'a be la djordjas. lei se dzena be loi pu sel-fu se jibri ponse lei se dzena be loi pu selfu se jibri baco'a kasyzutla'i le kamcectamne jubme **I hope that the decendants of those that were owners of slaves will sit here on the red hills of georgia among the descendants of those who were slaves at a table? of cousins .i mi pacna lenu vi le mu'a .ua la misisipis. jectypau noi pe'a tolfre je gla-xlafri ki'u lenu crogla fa le ka tolpajvrude je kusryjatna cu ba se galfi fi lo zancilmystu pe'a be leka zifre je pajvrude **I hope for the event here the for example (discovery) the state of mississipi, the "unfertile and too hot experience because of the event of burn expected virtue and cruel captain?????? .i mi pacna lenu lemi vo panzi baco'a xabju lo jecta noi ra se pajni ji'u le skari be lera skapi be'o na.e le selkai be lera nuntarti **I hope for the event of my four children will inhabit a state, they are judged based on the colour of their skin not the property of their behaviour??? .i mi cabdei pacna da **I today have a hope .i mi cabdei pacna lenu le la .alybamas. jectypau noi le le ke'a turni ku ctebi ca pe'a cilmo leka bradi je xauprepro cu ba se galfi fi lo se tcini be lenu loi xekri nanla .e loi xekri nixli loi blabi nanla .e loi blabi nixli cu simxanjai gi'e tamne kasydzu **I today have a hope the state of alabama, who's governor's lip is wet with ad-versity and good opponents??, there will come a time when black boys and black girls and white boys and white girls will hold on to each other and sit together like cousins .i mi pacna da **I have a hope .i mi caki pacna di'e .itu'e ro ma'arbi'i ba galtu .i ro cmana ba dizlo .i ro rufsu tumla ba xutla .i ro korcu pluta ba sirji .i le la jegvon. kamymisno ba tolcanci .i ro se rectu ba simkansa viska ra **I now hope for the following : all valleys will be high ; all mountains will be low ; all rough lands will be even ; all bent roads will be straight. The fa-mousness of judeo christians will appear. All livestock will be seen to be sha-red among them. tu'u .i la'ede'u se pacna mi'o .i le la'ede'u se krici cu ckaji mi ca lenu mi pu xrukla le nanmerko .i mi'o sekai le la'ede'u selkri cu pe'a kakpa cpacu fi le nuntolpacna cmana fe le nunpacna rokci .i mi'o sekai le la'ede'u selkri cu kakne gafygau fi le fanza ka lemi'o natmi cu nalsimsarxe kei le melbi ke jiktamne ca-bysna **{End marker for di'e?} This is what we hope for. This is a belief of mine ?the event I have returned to the south of the USA?.We, who have this belief must mine hte mountains of hopelessness? for the stones of hope. We, who have this belief are able to make a beautiful brotherhood type now-sound?? out of the an-noyance that our unharmonious country produces .i ca lenu mi'o gasnu lenu le kamzifre cu janbe .i ca lenu gasnu lenu ri janbe vi ro cmatca .e ro jectypau .e ro tcadu kei mi'o lirgau le djedi poi ro panzi be la jegvon. be'o noi xekri ja blabi gi'e xebro ja nalxebro gi'e se lijdrprotes-tante ja se lijdrkatoliko cu simxanjai ca ke'a gi'e sanga le slabu ke frikymerko jdaselsanga po'u lu .i co'a .u'a zifre .i co'a .u'a zifre .i ki'e jegvon. noi tsarai ku'o mi'a co'a .u'a zifre li'u **Now, the event of we do the event of freedom is a bell??. the now doing of event freedom is a bell? here producing sound all villages and all states and all ci-ties... FUCK I've had enough! Greg