From araizen@newmail.net Sat Jun 23 13:23:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: araizen@newmail.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 20:23:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 16967 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 20:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 20:23:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hh.egroups.com) (10.1.10.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 20:23:21 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: araizen@newmail.net Received: from [10.1.10.106] by hh.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 20:23:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:23:19 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: possible worlds Message-ID: <9h2trn+ea02@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010622100343.00e4f350@127.0.0.1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1254 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.0.181.249 From: "Adam Raizen" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8271 la lojbab cusku di'e > What is the relationship between the event and the sentence in the English > phrase "In the event of blah, i will do blecch". There is clearly some > relationship between the event and the rest of the sentence, but it is > vague what that relationship is other than the event occurring is necessary. > > Thus fau associates an event with a bridi and says that its occurrence is > in some way important to the truth of that bridi. Works rather like the > English. At least with the English, the idiom *does* mean at least that if the event occurs, the main sentence also occurs. I don't think it's so clear that the relationship in Lojban has something to do with the event occurring being necessary to the main bridi. To me, "fau le nu mi ricfu kei mi ponse lo zdani" means something like "I have a house with my being rich being an event." With "va'o" and ilk, at least, there are two places, and we can argue and define the relationship between them as much as we want, but with "fau", there's just nothing to work with. I realize that the BAI cmavo were made before the parallelism with the place structures of the gismu was formalized, but now "fau" seems to be a rather useless word. mu'o mi'e adam