From phma@oltronics.net Tue Jun 05 21:28:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 6 Jun 2001 04:28:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 86860 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 04:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2001 04:28:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (207.15.133.16) by mta3 with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 04:28:13 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id C63B33C59B; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] More lexing curiosities - la'i within cmene? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:31:38 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01060520385607.19849@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7573 On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, John Cowan wrote: >Richard Curnow scripsit: >> The reference grammar makes specific mention of "la", "lai" and "doi" >> not being allowed within cmene if preceded by a vowel. >> >> Why does the same rule not apply to la'i? > >It does a fortiori, since "la'i" contains "la". But then why is "lai" listed separately? Let's take some examples: baladaron breaks into ba la daron. balaidaron breaks into ba lai daron. badoidaron breaks into ba doi daron. bala'idaron breaks into ba la'i daron. bala'udaron cannot break into ba la 'udaron because a word cannot begin with y'y. Nor does it break into ba la'u daron because la'u is not special before cmene. So the rule should be that if any of the lerpoi "la", "lai", "la'i", or "doi" occurs in a word ending in a consonant, with the lerpoi immediately followed by a consonant and either preceded by a vowel or at the beginning of the word, the lerpoi falls off and becomes a separate cmavo, and anything that preceded the lerpoi falls off from it. phma