From rob@twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 18:17:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rob@twcny.rr.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 25 Jun 2001 01:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 17118 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2001 01:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2001 01:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com) (24.92.226.166) by mta3 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2001 01:17:52 -0000 Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com (mail1-0 [24.92.226.74]) by mailout4-0.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with ESMTP id f5P1GU803201 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riff ([24.95.175.101]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:16:31 -0400 Received: from rob by riff with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15EKwQ-0001JW-00 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:13:26 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:13:26 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o and modals Message-ID: <20010624211326.A5033@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: rob@twcny.rr.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com From: Rob Speer X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8294 On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 11:48:08PM +0100, And Rosta wrote: > > From: Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) [mailto:lojbab@lojban.org] > > Sent: 12 June 2001 12:57 > > > > At 09:19 PM 06/11/2001 -0500, Richard Todd wrote: > > >Except, now it bothers me even more that {ti botpi fo zi'o} doesn't > > >exclude the set of all bottles that *do* have caps. The way it is, how > > >would you say, unambiguously, that "this is a botpi, except without a > > >cap"? > > > > I don't see why "botpi fo noda" doesn't work. It actually DOES have a cap, > > potentially (as do most botpi), but there is no cap on it. > > "ti zilvelbotpi gi'e botpi fo no da" I already tried to use some form of {zilvelbotpi} in an earlier thread, and it got me into Place-Switching Hell. Then someone came along and helpfully pointed out that the standard form would be {zilvonbotpi}. But also, whatever happened to {botytai}? -- Rob Speer