From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 22 17:58:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 00:58:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 84968 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 00:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Jun 2001 00:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.178) by mta1 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 00:58:28 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:58:28 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.48 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:58:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.48] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Help!! learning Lojban Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:58:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2001 00:58:28.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D1F0C90:01C0FB7F] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8263 la kreig cusku di'e >.lu mi xusra ledu'u ledi'e jetnu si'unai se jimpe > >**"I >assert the fact that the fol-lowing utterance is true unaided by the >understood thing : {le di'e jetnu} is "the following truth", "the truth associated with the following". {si'unai se jimpe} is the "verb" of that sentence. Something like "the following truth is not-with-helper understood". >.i mi pacna lenu lemi vo panzi baco'a xabju lo jecta noi ra se pajni >ji'u le skari be lera skapi be'o na.e le selkai be lera nuntarti > >**I hope for the event of my four children will inhabit a state, they >are judged based on the colour of their skin not the property of their >behaviour??? {na.e} means "not the first one AND (yes) the second one" >.i ca lenu mi'o gasnu lenu le kamzifre cu janbe .i ca lenu gasnu lenu >ri janbe vi ro cmatca .e ro jectypau .e ro tcadu kei mi'o lirgau le >djedi poi > >**Now, the event of we do the event of freedom is a bell??. {ca} is not "now" but "at the same time as ...", which defaults to the present. So {ca le nu ...} means "when ...". In this case, "when we make freedom toll", or something. >the now >doing of event freedom is a bell? here producing sound all villages and >all states and all ci-ties... Similarly, {vi} is (rather idiomatically unfortunately) the space equivalent of {ca}. So "When we make freedom toll in every town, every state and every city, we earlify the day which..." >FUCK I've had enough! i banzu xamgu mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.