From pycyn@aol.com Sat Jun 09 17:19:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 10 Jun 2001 00:19:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 95006 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 00:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jun 2001 00:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta3 with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 00:19:48 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.57.174fd06b (18258) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57.174fd06b.28541720@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:19:44 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_57.174fd06b.28541720_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7715 --part1_57.174fd06b.28541720_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/9/2001 1:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time, ragnarok@pobox.com writes: > Refrence Grammar, Chapter 13, Section 3: > Since this discussion got started with the implicit (and soon the explicit) claim that this section of the Book was off-base, citing it won't get us very far. Lojbab has raised a case of hope that is not a propositional attitude -- nor is it ecxactly the same sort of simple emotion as sadness, say. It is brought on by an event, like sadness, but, unlike sadness, it is not about that event but apparently about possibly remote possible effects of that event. As for the p.a. hope, it is foreward looking like intent, but, unlike intent, it does not involve a commitment or anything else on the hoper's part -- nor is it usually about something directly in the hoper's control. In any case, it might well require a rather different "logic" from intent. --part1_57.174fd06b.28541720_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/9/2001 1:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
ragnarok@pobox.com writes:



Refrence Grammar, Chapter 13, Section 3:



Since this discussion got started with the implicit (and soon the explicit)
claim that this section of the Book was off-base, citing it won't get us very
far.  Lojbab has raised a case of hope that is not a propositional attitude
-- nor is it ecxactly the same sort of simple emotion as sadness, say.  It is
brought on by an event, like sadness, but, unlike sadness, it is not about
that event but apparently about possibly remote possible effects of that
event.
As for the p.a. hope, it is foreward looking like intent, but, unlike intent,
it does not involve a commitment or anything else on the hoper's part  -- nor
is it usually about something directly in the hoper's control.  In any case,
it might well require a rather different "logic" from intent. --part1_57.174fd06b.28541720_boundary--