From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 08 18:09:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 9 Jun 2001 01:09:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 7860 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2001 01:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2001 01:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.132) by mta2 with SMTP; 9 Jun 2001 01:09:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:09:32 -0700 Received: from 200.69.11.73 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:09:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.69.11.73] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] An approach to attitudinals Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 01:09:32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2001 01:09:32.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[D769D010:01C0F080] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 7678 la lojbab cusku di'e >loi lojbo ca banro .au >Lojban is growing, and I want this to be the case. I read it as "I wish Lojban were growing now". I wouls say what you want to express as something like {loi lojbo ca ui je ba a'o banro}. >The problem with >possible worlds is that our emotions are not logical, and attitudes >shouldn't NEED to be analyzed for whether they are "logical" for the >situation. I'm not suggesting anything like that. But if you get from {au loi lojbo ca banro} something other than a wish that it be true, we won't be communicating very successfully. >I can use ".a'o" for "Lojban is presently growing as well, >because I may be saying that it is growing now, but also anticipating a >future where it continues to grow. Then say so: {ca ui je ba a'o} >The "ca" is not what inspires the >".a'o", but rather the "banro". I haven't seen such usage yet. It would come into conflict with the usage I have seen. I doubt that both can coexist, it would be terribly confusing. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.