From ragnarok@pobox.com Tue Jul 17 18:14:34 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 18 Jul 2001 01:14:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 52498 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 01:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2001 01:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO intrex.net) (209.42.192.246) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 01:14:32 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.34] by intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A2FA7D680032; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:14:34 -0400 Reply-To: To: Subject: RE: [lojban] registry of experimental cmavo - new proposals featuring XOhA and UI and BAI Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:14:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8696 I have some other experimental cmavo to propose. In selma'o XOhA, I think in addition to loglan toggle (xo'a) we need a toggle for each source language. Also, a way to mark fu'ivla for the language they derive from, which would of course be optional but helpful. Furthermore, it seems to me that natural evolution of the language will inevitably result in dialects forming. There needs to be a system for systematically naming dialects as they form, so we can say 'foo speaks dialect bar'; I even suggest that we make a gismu with place structure 'x1 speaks lojban dialect x2' and also that selma'o XOhA have dialect toggles (maybe mutable, see below). I expect that people with different aims with lojban will speak different dialects, and I want to be able to say so in lojban, and try to communicate with more than one, hence the dialect toggle. My other proposal is the mutable BAI cmavo. the undefined BAI do'e gets a rafsi attached to the beginning and then adds a place to the bridi for the first place of the rafsi. Thus 'ti botpi ja'ado'e fu' means 'this is a bottle with leader foo.' Since usage will decide everything, MY usage will start deciding that this is in effect, effective now, unless someone explains why there ISN'T a bai cmavo for EVERY gismu - why do some need it more than others? Who decided which ones got bai? Why can't a bottle have a leader, making ja'ado'e useful (although not as much so with botpi as with other gismu, admittedly)? My house contains a gismu list, so what's wrong with adding a place to make it a house with lojbanic things? (ti zdani lobdo'e gismu, this is a house whose lojbanic things include gismu) Beyond mutable BAI: A mutable XOhA so that I can switch to speaking punjabi and you'll know it, rather than wondering what's coming out of my mouth. A mutable KOhA so that people can say 'he' as 'the man-type-of-it' or refer to their dog as the dog-it. We would still use the old BAI because they are shorter than mutating do'e to say the same thing, and we would still use the old KOhA until we had used all five. More UI cmavo. The classical geeks had three kinds of love. let's declare all strings of three vowels to be UIA series UI, basically experimental attitudinals. .a'oesai (I know that doesn't fit the kinds of love model, but a'o sorely needed it.) --la kreig.daniyl 'segu le bavli temci gi mi'o renvi lo purci .i ga le fonxa janbe gi du mi' -la djimis.BYFet xy.sy. gubmau ckiku cmesanji: 0x5C3A1E74