From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Jul 31 07:42:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 14:42:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 86310 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 14:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 14:41:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 14:41:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6VEfMa15686 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Speaking Lojban (was: LogFest news In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010729162225.00c08690@pop.cais.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9034 On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group wrote: > Finally, xod DID succeed in making it through the full two days here > speaking only Lojban, and many others took up the more limited challenge of > conversing with him in the language. Lojban definitely works! Our > compliments to xod; may there be more like him next year, now that we know > it can be done. Nora also spoke only Lojban at at Logfest, using English only where her hostess and Secretary duties forced her to speak to the jbonalka'e. It hurt my head, but my intuitive knowledge tripled! I think Nora & I were at about the same level but Nick was still ahead of us both, speaking so quickly that I often could not comprehend the sentences. Robin Powell kept up very well, especially considering that it was his first Logfest. A great deal of my extended conversation with Nick occurred away from Logfest when we went at ate dinner at an Ethiopian spot in DC. All of us were stumbling along with a literary style of Lojban, over-formal and over-complex, that would never be applied in conversation. I am convinced now that spoken Lojban (which, optimally, is used on irc too) busts the main selbri down to an attitudinal. This is usually possible. For instance, "mi na birti le du'u" --> "ju'ocu'i". "mi djica le nu" --> ".au". Our lack of facility with these attitudinals made our spoken utterances pedantic and imposed that our listeners usually parse one more set of cmavo pairs they wouldn't otherwise have needed to. ----- We do not like And if a cat those Rs and Ds, needed a hat? Who can't resist Free enterprise more subsidies. is there for that!