From nicholas@uci.edu Mon Jul 23 20:38:36 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 24 Jul 2001 03:38:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 4882 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 03:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2001 03:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 03:38:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04990; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Mini-lesson: help solicited (again) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8884 Lojbanists, your help on the lessons (now that your comments on them have trickled off, and several of you have run through all of them) is gratefully acknowledged. I am going to be making some corrections in them tonight, and will presumably spend the rest of the week indexing them. It is now increasingly clear that the lessons will not form part of any introductory package. The issue then becomes, whether any lessons *do* form part of the introductory package. The package contains the venerable Diagrammed Summary: http://www.opoudjis.net/lojbanbrochure/brochure/diagsumm.html It's dense-ish, but has good introductory coverage. The idea has been floating around, whether the mini-lesson should be incorporated into the package: http://www.lojban.org/files/brochures/minilsn.html It is a lesson, rather than a grammar summary; and it is brief. My opinion, however (I love how I poison these surveys aforehand) is that it (a) overlaps almost completely in coverage with the diagrammed summary; (b) is not noticeably lighter, easier, or chattier than it. My inclination, then is to make the diagrammed summary the mini-lesson, by including the exercises from the mini-lesson, and perhaps giving a few more examples. Your thoughts? Please read through the two pieces, and give your impressions. I'd like to have at least some opinions before Logfest, when we decide what to do about the lesson issue. -- /||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\ | "One must first know that traditionally a Japanese bus has carried not || | only a driver but one or more young girls who stand in the aisles and || | sell tickets, announce stops, and in general console the passengers for|| | the inadequacies and discomforts of this transient world." \ | --- Roy Andrew Miller, _The Japanese Language_, p. 251 \ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| \||||nicholas@uci.edu|||||||Transient Passenger||||||Nick Nicholas|||||||||| ==\||||||||||||www.opoudjis.net||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||/ ()() ()() ()()