From jay.kominek@colorado.edu Sat Jul 14 17:27:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 15 Jul 2001 00:27:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9292 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2001 00:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jul 2001 00:27:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ucsub.colorado.edu) (128.138.129.12) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 00:27:24 -0000 Received: from ucsub.colorado.edu (kominek@ucsub.colorado.edu [128.138.129.12]) by ucsub.colorado.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2/ITS-5.0/student) with ESMTP id f6F0RNd20006 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:27:23 -0600 (MDT) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Imperative In-Reply-To: <3B50A988.4170.6F4312@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Jay Kominek X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8578 On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 sjhsniffen@crosswinds.net wrote: > I'm fairly new to lojban and I was wondering if there is a way to use > the imperative even when the listener (who you want to do the > action) is not part of the action. I.e. > > ko tavla fo la lojban. > > means "Speak in lojban!" > > but how do you say > > "Make the bird speak in lojban!" tu'a ko mukti le nu le cipni cu tavla bau la lojban Basically you have to command them to cause or be the cause of the event of whatever you want. I'm not sure if my sentence is perfect, but it seems pretty right to me. :) rinka wouldn't be appropriate since you'd have to move the bird's beak and manipulate its vocal cords or whatnot yourself, while forcing air out its mouth. - Jay Kominek