From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Mon Jul 30 19:23:33 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 31 Jul 2001 02:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 38719 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2001 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 31 Jul 2001 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta2 with SMTP; 31 Jul 2001 02:23:32 -0000 Received: from m27-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com ([62.253.88.27] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15ROwh-0000QY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:07:44 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Tidying notes on {goi} Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 03:22:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B657F1E.40704@reutershealth.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9022 John: > Jorge Llambias wrote: > > > But {bi'u} already has a different function there. In {le bi'u nanmu > > goi ko'a}, we want ko'a to be the one that gets assigned the referent > > of {le bi'u nanmu}, not the other way around. > > Yes, of course; I was too elliptical. I meant "le nanmu goi bi'u ko'a" > marks "ko'a" (the dependent of goi) as definiens; of course "bi'unai" > would mark it as definiendum. I reject this in an earlier message, but am I right in thinking that your idea is that "le nanmu goi bi'u ko'a" is analogous to "the philanderer that was John F. Kennedy", "[She recognized him for] the philanderer that he was"? --And.