From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Sat Jul 21 04:37:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 21 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25052 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.2.114) by mta1 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2001 11:37:20 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.10.118] by ei.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2001 11:37:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:37:18 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: zunle moklu finpe Message-ID: <9jbphe+5e00@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <01072018022602.01041@neofelis> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2013 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 62.104.218.70 From: "A.W.T." X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 8813 --- In lojban@y..., Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, A.W.T. wrote: > >Didn't find the "zuo2 kou3 yu3" (left-eyed fish) in my sources: a pretty mo= > >dern word for "Flunder" seems to be something > > The middle character is mouth (a square) not eye (a stack of three rectangles). Yes, of course - just typed it wrong already having the more characteristic "mu4" (kanla) in mind :) (the hints below also refer to the *eye* side and not the mouth side). > "zuo" and "kou" are both in low tone. This is correct regarding the isolate word's tone, which is 3rd tone (don't call it "low" tone). And, usually the tones are indicated this way (and I should have done so too). Pronounced together (i.e. two 3rd tones), one has to consider so-called "tone sandhi" giving "zuo2 kou3" here. So, being a bit sleepy already, I just wrote the compound's tone pattern that I had in mind. > >Oh, wait a minute, here I found a bit on those fish (German and Latin): > >Plattfische/Pleuronectidae: > Or Butt, and I've seen that word in (I think) the OED too. I found "flatfish" for it. "Butt" is "flounder" (see below). > >Steinbutt/Scophtalmus maximus: left > Turbot, I think. Not to be confused with burbot. > >Heilbutt/Hippoglossus hippoglossus: right > Halibut. > >Scholle or Goldbutt/Pleuronectes platessa: (mostly) right > I'm not sure I can plaice that one :) Yes, you can place "plaice" :) > >Kliesche/Pleuronectes limanda: right Don't find an English expression for it. > >Flunder/Pleuronectes flesus: right or left (!) > >Seezunge/Solea solea: right "sole" > >Rot- or Hundszunge/Cynoglossus cynoglossus: right > Both the German and the Greek mean dog's tongue, but I'm not sure what fish > that is. Don't know that beast either (but could give you a description in German from my source). > Polgosu is my stage-4 fu'ivla for Hippoglossus. What is it based on? Hippoglossus->hipoglosus->hipolgosus->hiPOLGOSUs??? Pretty far-fetched, isn't it? ;-( mu'omi'e .aulun.