From nicholas@uci.edu Wed Aug 01 02:32:53 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: nicholas@uci.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 1 Aug 2001 09:32:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 12244 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2001 09:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2001 09:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO e4e.oac.uci.edu) (128.200.222.10) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Aug 2001 09:32:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (nicholas@localhost) by e4e.oac.uci.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15099; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:31:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: e4e.oac.uci.edu: nicholas owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:31:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: To: Cc: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: Speaking Lojban Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Nick NICHOLAS X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9066 --- In lojban@y..., Invent Yourself wrote: > Nora also spoke only Lojban at at Logfest, using English only where her > hostess and Secretary duties forced her to speak to the jbonalka'e. .i ca co'a cizra li'i mi fa lenu viska lenu do pilno le glico .u'i Nora was also stuck with the {jboplinaldji}, namely me. It's quite easy for me (as you'll have heard, xod!) to sputter out three or four sentences in Lojban, and then to give up and go back to English; because Nora didn't have your Iron Will (heheh), I probably seduced her back to the dark side once too often... > It hurt my head, but my intuitive knowledge tripled! I think Nora & I were > at about the same level but Nick was still ahead of us both, speaking so > quickly that I often could not comprehend the sentences. Let the record show, however, that Olivia did amazingly well in comprehension; in fact, she ended up interpreting between us more than once. :-) > Robin Powell kept > up very well, especially considering that it was his first Logfest. And if I got to talk to him for any extended period of time, I would have found that out... I'll be over s00n enuff, d00d! > A > great deal of my extended conversation with Nick occurred away from > Logfest when we went at ate dinner at an Ethiopian spot in DC. .i mi rapli ckire do .e la .olivian. lenu stidi lenu citka vi le kulnrnetiopia gusta .i le cijda .e ra'u le cakla kruji cu xagycai .i je li'a lenu ci mi simta'a cu carmi zdile va'o ku .i ku'i zu'unai le bisli kruji poi mi na ka'e citka vi la xavdei ki'u lenu vitke zi'e poi mi citka ca la pavdei cu cmonyri'a xamgu Arguing is difficult enough for me in person (as opposed to behind the curtain of internet anonymity), and even more so in Lojban; I think it pretty cool that we did achieve some sort of consensus in the end on the Great Issues Of The Day... > All of us were stumbling along with a literary style of Lojban, > over-formal and over-complex, that would never be applied in > conversation. *shrug* I've never liked attitudinals, I don't think they're the point of Lojban, and you'll have noticed I mostly avoided them (whereas I made a point of using {kei} as much as I could. :-) .) To then hear that Mark dislikes lujvo... we may yet have disdialektigho (the bugbear of Esperanto: splitting into dialects). Oh well. I've got to say, with the exception of the one time I encountered more of a whirlwind than myself :-) (Goran), talking faster than anyone else in Lojban does tend to make me default back to English. I honestly can't speak any slower, because then I forget what I was saying! But full kudos to xod, who displayed much more perseverance than I would ever dream of, and who did not slip up even once in a confirmable manner --- with the possible exception of matters of dire emergency. :-) And oh yeah. Lojban is hard. Hard enough for me to entertain John Cowan while discoursing to Nora, with the rictus that was forming around my lips... -- == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == == Nick Nicholas, Breathing {le'o ko na rivbi fi'inai palci je tolvri danlu} nicholas@uci.edu -- Miguel Cervantes tr. Jorge LLambias