From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Aug 08 02:37:40 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@reva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_2_0); 8 Aug 2001 09:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 955 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2001 09:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2001 09:37:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO reva.sixgirls.org) (64.152.7.13) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 Aug 2001 09:37:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f789bcZ14534 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 05:37:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] ka + makau (was: ce'u (was: vliju'a In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 9319 On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la and cusku di'e > > > > le nu xokau prenu cu zvati cu spaji mi > > > >But I'm a bit uncomfortable with that "nu xokau". > > The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that {kau} > is totally independent of the abstraction it is embedded in. > Xod was right after all: "the answer" is just the sumti. But > we were all wrong about the question. It is not the whole bridi > containing {ma}. The question is just {ma}. So {makau} simply > stands for the relevant answer to {ma}, whatever the context > is, be it du'u, ka, or an appropriate attitudinal. "X goes to the store" "I know that X went to the store" "There are X people in this room" In each case if the statement is true, X is a value that makes it true. X is an answer to the question "What is X?", which in each case would probably be phrased more directly (ex. "Who goes to the store?"). But really, X is just a variable. One that we can surely denote with "ko'a" if we lift the weak expectation that ko'a should have been defined by a previous bridi. ko'a is freer than da since it does not assert existence. But that assertion may or may not really be a problem. "Contextual appropriateness" means that one would expect X to represent some set of people first two questions, and a number in the second. Finally, let's consider: ko'a ko'e frica le ka ce'u klama makau X and Y differ in where they go What about the routes? Are they different? Are they the same? ----- "I have never been active in politics or in any act against occupation, but the way the soldiers killed Mizyed has filled me with hatred and anger. Now I'm ready to carry out a suicide attack inside Israel," one of the witnesses said.