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Subject: RE: [lojban] {lo'i} as a Q-kau solution?
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:33:46 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@ntlworld.com>
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Jorge:
> la xod cusku di'e
> > > As for main-bridi Q-kau (Q-ever kau), I would now like to
> > > concede to Jorge that these are genuine Q-kau constructions,
> > > but (I think) all Q-kau reduce to {xu kau}, and AFAICS
> > > (myopically) {xu kau} = "whether or not" = U-connective.
> >
> >Do you mean xukau = jikau?
> 
> I think he is agreeing with me that {ju} = {je xukau}.

That's right. In some ways I prefer it to {ju}, because ju
is ge p gi ga q gi na q, and hence seems less basic than the
other connectives.

{broda ije xu kau brode} is equivalent to (inter alia?)
{broda ije da jei brode}.

{djuno loi du'u xu kau broda} is equivalent to 
{da poi ke'a jei broda zo'u djuno loi du'u da jei broda}
= loi du'u ce'u jei broda goi ko'a da poi ke'a ko'a ckaji zo'u
  djuno loi du'u da ko'a ckaji
= da poi loi du'u ke'a jei broda goi ko'a jetnu zo'u djuno ko'a
= da poi li ni'e jetnu te'u jei ke'a jei broda zo'u djuno
  loi du'u go'i xi pa

--And.