From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Fri Aug 24 09:17:45 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 24 Aug 2001 16:17:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 43554 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2001 16:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 24 Aug 2001 16:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 24 Aug 2001 16:14:32 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:53:07 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:20:04 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:19:47 +0100 To: lojban Subject: Re: mine, thine, hisn, hern, itsn ourn, yourn and theirn (was[lojban] si'o) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 10044 pc: #lojbab@lojban.org writes: #> (damn, I miss the real and useful {me}), #>=20 #> When we went along with TLI on the change in me, we had determined that= =20 #> there was an easy alternate way to do the old me. Why is it unsatisfact= ory? #=20 [...] #"x1 is subject to a nonessential defensible and defeasible claim to privi= leged=20 #association or use by x2" is what in Lojban? I have no idea. If you want to say it, make a LUJVO. OTOH, there is no alternative way of expressing current {me}, which=20 creates a property -- intensionalizes -- its sumti, and ascribes the property to x1. la'o la'o Sean Connery la'o pa moi me la'o la'o James Bond la'o so'i da me la'o la'o dalai lama la'o (fuck me! "dalai lama" is an invalid cmene if ever there was!) --And.